Josh recently sat down with Jami at Comic Book Resources and talked up the finale, “We did a weird thing in the office the last day when all of the writers were there. We had all our episodes up on the white-board, one-liners for all twenty-two episodes. We said we would pass around an eraser and erase our worst episodes until we arrive at the last one and that would be our best. So first I erased Dessert Cantos and then we went from there. We went around and around and eventually had three or four Writers Room favorite episodes. We stopped and looked and we realized that they were almost all our final season two episodes. The final two episodes were the writers’ favorite episodes of the year. I think the last three episodes of the season were in the final three or four.”
And our really cool friends at Io9 point out a report by the Hollywood Reporter that lists us as the only non-huge-hit on the list of “most pirated television shows of the week” (not that we at all condone that type of viewing!).
Oh, and why not one more from Io9 — that Charlie Jane sure takes care of us. Check out their guide to “Everything You Need to Know Before the End of Sarah Connor.” Jeez, I hope it’s not the end.
People go twitter @foxbroadcasting and tell them to save our show!
Since I’m from Germany, it doesn’t surprise me at all, that this is one of the most pirated shows… If you guys would remove those IP restrictions from hulu and FOD, you would get a lot more legal viewers… Combine this with the highly technological target group of TSCC and you can guess what the people will do… In addition to that: Those numbers only count torrents. Don’t forget Usenet, p2p, FTP and illegal streams.
Oh, and how the hell is S&D not on that top 3 list?!
Yeah sNaKeBiTe S&D is at the top of my list too.
I agree…
It really is stupid to still have those restrictions so foreigners cannot see the episodes online. We could have helped alot in making more ad money and rating boost for online view.
As it is now, we are forced to either wait for a year to watch the new stuff on tv, DVD or download pirated. Guess what we do?
anti-piracy is a decease spreading from government to government all over the world run by people too old to have ever have used or found the internet useful.. being forced to defend something they do not understand it’s value of, they sell out our liberties in fear and so called sales losses..
earlier today France, thankfully, voted NO to the proposition of removing the democratic right to use of the internet for one year if found guilty for piracy with a slim margin of 21 vs. 15.. out of 577 potential member votes only 36 had the interest to have their say on record.. absolutely breathtaking..
instead of making use of technology, the music and film industry have always wanted to suffocate new types of media, entertainment or tools ranging from VHS tapes to Circuses (yes, traveling circuses threatened cinemas) while at the same time robbing most of the profits from our artists with terrible contracts..
the only cure for this decease is the upcoming generational change in governments all over the world.. time will tell how far along the road to totalitarianism we have gone before the new generation of minds take place in the halls of power..
i agree with sNakeBite, i’m from italy, and i would like to see TSCC on fox’s website,
but there are restrictions !
In my opinion, TSCC has a lot of viewers. Probably a base of 5 million and more…but they are not counted, because counting systems work only about live viewers on Friday. And Stop. Also DVR visions are counted later.
But if you think that
1) on Amazon, TSCC is one one of the top selling dvd and blue ray
2) in Tv series’popularity index, it’s between first 20 positions in italy of 870 (where it is not send on clear tv, but only on satellite tv !!)
3) On DVR, it’s one of the most favourite
4) On internet, it’s one of the most downloaded
5) It’s…Terminator. Great franchise, great year with two films coming in two year.
Numbers are clears. If they made money or less, this is the other approaching to the questions.
But the show works. It works great.
On a hard day (Firday night…), on a eterogeneous public.
Come on, WB and Fox ! You have a jewel in your hand !
Guilty as charged – we are a few weeks behind in the UK so having all the patience of a boiling kettle I download the episodes every Saturday. But I have the DVDs season 1 Blu-ray and DVD with season 2 Blu-ray on preorder so FOX gets its money from me even though they have a habit of cancelling my favourite shows (like Firefly)
I go to my cool iMac, open iTunes, go to tv shows and the system does not accept PAYMENT from Turkey!
I think we need more Toni Graphia & Charles Beeson episodes, if we manage to have the 3rd season. [sigh]
the people at dodge are still geting are ads in the show and they are seen by a lot of people even if is pirated does that help i wonder what do you think?
I agree with the afore said. We are in a culturally and economically globalized and transnationalized world.
Fox should think global and do an on-line version for international viewers with ads from the biggest american transnational companies, you know well which companies I’m talking about: fast food, cars, computers and technology, etc, etc… So, that way, Fox would make a revolutionary move on global business.
i want to be counted man in the ratings and its not fair . i have seen season 1 till now now fox and on space too and there not even counting cuz i dont live in the usa thats bull shit i am going buy season 2 on dvd i have season 1. fox need’s to know there more money out there waiting to be spent on terminator stuff .why is there no t shirt ’s. no todd mc farlane toys .if had things like that it help show there’s more fans then what tv by the number says there are .
@ matt hancock
I agree, promotional goodies are lacking. I thought they missed a good promo opportunity not tying Camerons favorite shake, peachy keen into a Mcdonald’s
shake or 7/11 slurpee.
I have already all the stuff i can get right here in Europe: Blueray, DVD and Soundtrack. I tell it to all my friends and in internet communitys.
Unfortunately, there is nothing more that i can do to save this show - it’s really sad
And its really sad too, that a smart written show like this have struggle to survive. What’s up with the people here, why they looking such crap like Ghost Whisperer and this awful Idol show ?
don’t forget to WRITE fox and WB
WE NEED TO SAVE THE SHOW
Fox and Hulu…
Think!
Unlock the global IP restrictions… don’t give into government censorship!
You would get soooo many more viewers. Thousands more. Perhaps you need a more robust server farm to handle the influx of potential viewers!
And you would cut down on the drive to pirate the show. Many times English fluent foreigners would like to to also hear what the original actors sound like as they get dubbed versions overseas and sometimes cut/censored versions too.
I would agree wholeheartedly with what the writers ended up with on the big white board of favorite episodes of the season. While there were moments of goodness this season (S&D, many parts of AFP, parts of SMM –Summer’s scenes stood out as the best– parts of… etc.)… it boiled down to the last few IMHO.
Use these as templates and then build and improve from there.
Balance of tone and main character development (and screen time– possibly with a de-emphasis on Sarah, as her influence must lessen, and a much greater focus be placed on John and Cameron), and laser-focus of story and plot, are the big keys to success and growth in viewers next season.
Again, IMHO.
I’m in Canada and Fox online does not allow any viewers outside US to watch the episodes online!! If I miss an episode I have no choice. Maybe they should realize that’s a huge part of why the ratings aren’t so high.
The writer liked 4 episodes the most? like most of the people. why didnt they concentrate on making all of them like these 4?
the ratings wouldnt go down that way
I find it sad all the pirates admitting their guilt. This show if it does not get renewed you can blame yourself. Piracy definitely helped kill this show. Reminds me of the looters in LA during the Rodney King riots. You pirates are like the middle aged housewife running out the destroyed storefront with a television because everyone else was doing it.
You have to understand that TSCC has a lot of geek audience and a lot of international audience and for many of them getting a torrent of an episode is the only way to watch it.
I was thinking the other day that it wouldn’t hurt fox to seed quality torrents to those people who can’t watch it live.
But those who download torrents are not exactly useless, they are fans and they are buying DVDs, Blue Rays and other merchandise later, so there’s no point in cracking down or condemning torrent users. They are people who have no other choice.
Those who watch it on DVR zip past ads too, you don’t call them pirates.
I wonder when time will come for ad free TV. For example, I’d gladly pay say a monthly fee to watch TSCC. 40-50$ per month for 4 episodes is no problem. Multiply that by 2-4 millions of potential customers and you’ve got an excellent business idea, but remember you heard it from me first ;-). This way we could have unlimited numbers of TSCC seasons.
Or you could combine shows in packs, like say TSCC, 24, Dollhouse pack or smth like that.
You’d sell more videos too (Blu-ray and DVD) if you were like BSG in having fully complete (not rough cuts with incomplete SFX) extended directors’ cuts of most or all of your episodes.
I’ve read some things about the upcoming Complete Blu-ray Set of BSG that there will be copious amounts of directors’ editions of various episodes for all 5 (4 1/2) seasons. Some as much as 20-30 minutes longer than the broadcast versions!!
Plus, Universal is releasing the discs with 24 bit, 5.1 DTS-Master Audio tracks!
Come on, WB! Get with the program!!
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The three strike law that would deprive a person of internet access if caught illegally downloading files (identified by IPaddress, how stupid) has been rejected in France today: how could you enforce a law that would condemn most of your citizens and give power of regulation to private interests?
Fox and other networks have to get their head out of O’Reilley’s rear end and adapt to new realities. Firstly have a look at who are those ‘pirates’ to learn if they are people who are likely to pay for the product anyway (not likely if they are some Transylvanian teen, or can’t see it legally online or get their parent to pay for a specialized channel like Space in Canada or…) then find a mean of making the money by letting them download clean torrents with adds or selling them merchandise, exclusive items or value-added DVD collector sets, having them participate to conventions, God knows what else.
Get with the times Fox and WB.
I’m not surprised at TSCC being the most pirated show at all, but it is telling that FOX can’t figure out how important that information is and learn from it, because there is much to learn. Already noted this under the Save This Show comments, but it’s always been somewhat mind-boggling to me that FOX continues to air TSCC in such an early time period and expects to find a large viewing audience for it at THAT hour. TSCC is clearly NOT a 7pm / early night show. This is a show for the thinking-minded viewer who is probably not sitting down to watch TV for the night at that time: the subject matter is mature, complex, intense, disturbing and violent, and it should never have been placed as a early lead-in show before Prison Break or Dollhouse, which I’m not knocking but neither of which are exactly brain-draining. TSCC is one of only three regular season TV shows I never miss (Lost and BSG, now gone, are the others so I’ll soon be TV free), and even though the only programs I have any interest in AT ALL are thought-provoking, complicated and intense, I am not quite ready for that so early in the evening when I’ve still got other things going on. I much prefer to watch them later in the evening on my own time when I am ready to wrap up my day with something that completely engages my mind. As far as DVR viewing, downloads and pirating, the industry needs to get a clue, and soon. TV as we knew it is dead and gone; the studios and networks either need to get ahead of the game and learn how to effectively embrace new viewing methods OR stop crying like babies, give up and get out of the business completely because they have clung to the past much too long. There is much to be learned by the way viewers watch/obtain episodic programming in 2009, and WHY. The answers are there, they are just not the obvious ones the industry keeps looking for. Get on board to the future or watch it pass you by.
OMG I almost said the same as Dan!!!
It’s all Fox fautl!
Guilty as charged living in the UK and being weeks behind plus not receiving Virgin 1. So i am only upto date because i download it via a torrent. Great quality and enables me to watch my favourite show.
If i did not i would have to probably wait months for the box set. Fox and other networks like HULU need to think outside the box and give Sci Fi more chance. Get rid of Lost and other crap you have. Except Fringe thats alright.
Josh and the writers, here again, is a novel idea:
Round tables with not only yourselves, but the cast & key crew members as well!
Get pointers, hammer out ideas, field suggestions, bounce things off each other.
Get everybody involved in and contributing to the creative process… don’t be so secretive!
This what makes everyone feel like they are a part of a family, that they are important to the process. Happy cast, happy writers, happy crew…
And a much better over all product!
This worked absolutely spectacularly on hit, long running shows like “Seinfeld” and even all the way back to classic shows like “The Dick Van Dyke Show.”
fox took a lot of breaks that helped bring down rating’s there was two weeks for baseball then two months then moved to friday to the death slot . they need more time then 9 show’s to get us back to high ratings i think this show is a hit it just needs to stay in one spot thats why there needs to be a season 3 i mean there t4 and t5 coming there’s going to new fans coming out of the movie and there going to be buying all things with the name teminator on it there is money to be made fox chill out . i read things on the net like fox is only going pick up dollhouse not terminator does dollhouse have two big movie’s to tie into no it does not if they do that fox is insane.
You guys have done an amazing job with these back six. Simply amazing. Thank you so much for your hard work and thank you for caring about us: your fans. I’m sure that you’ll continue to write great episodes in S3.
-Charlie
you know you can watch FOD and Hulu from behind a US based proxy. I dont have a dvr, i watch the episodes twice on fri, once at eastern time, once at pac time. Start the download sat morning on a torrent, watch it again on space on monday. i usually have the torrent version ready and waiting to catch something i thought i missed the 3 times i missed, or the episode really stood out.
also, whats the difference between dvr/vcr recording, and downloading it on a torrent?
nothing.
John Henry gets out of the basement?
In an interview earlier this year, Garret Dillahunt said that JH gets out of the basement and also fights a terminator. I wonder whether that still holds.
http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/sarah-connor.php
I feel you, Josh. We rarely had Oreos at my house growing up. When you get a season 3 I’ll send you a box. Double Stuf or are you a purist like me?
This is the predicament in a globalized economy. The lines between different markets becomes more blurry, which may affects the ratings and interests for a show like T:TSCC. I am not suprised that tech savvy viewers may be one of the shows bigger target groups, which the “pirate ratings” seems to show. Foreign markets need to air episodes simultaneously to limit the demand for pirated alternatives.
This is a hard nut to crack though. I also guess a legal global distribution model is hard to implement because of the risk of competing with these foreign local markets and TV channels who buys the show and making profits from it through their own ad models.
Product placements like Dodge RAM even though obvious were a solution and worked pretty well in the show and pitched in plenty of money if read correctly. Not that I condone too much use of this practice, but smart non-obtrusive product placement in the hand of competent TV makers can cover great many viewers than expected.
Lower Nielsen numbers and higher DVR numbers may be a common thing in shows like these. DVR numbers can also be more valued because viewers can’t change channel. Other viewing options, like watching it on the computer, could also be valued in the same way.
Also this new “Fox Sci-fi Friday” may probably take even longer time to build loyal viewers than a normal high profile show. These days, viewers loyalty may also not come in Nielsen numbers at every friday night when the shows airs - but through DVR and other legal alternatives. These legal options are perhaps only used if the quality of that distribution can be seen as equal or better in value and quality than downloading a pirated version. Better quality in distribution systems (DVR, iTunes, Hulu etc.) - will in end create more revenue for the network.
Before measurements take into account the value of the coverage in all distribution systems and before global distribution solutions are possible, I guess we may see more situations like this will occur.
This show is a great example how TV networks may be forced to implement more advanced ratings models. I also hope Fox’s partners try and use different assessments when they evaluate future involvement in TV shows and franchises like these.
T:TSCC is a high quality show, some suggest equal or better than critically acclaimed Battlestar Galactica. It’s a shame if it would be cancelled because of bad judgement call.
“Unlock the global IP restrictions… don’t give into government censorship!
You would get soooo many more viewers. Thousands more. Perhaps you need a more robust server farm to handle the influx of potential viewers!”
On the one hand a pretty good idea DAN! BUT it will always remain one, because local TV stations like in here Pro7 (Germany-the channel broadcasting Season 1) would be pretty pissed, because they paid a lot of money to get the rights PLUS, i always wonder who pays the local sync of such a show……..THAT is the reason FOX made it only viewable to ppl living in the US.
There should be something like FOX international or so, so the rights would belong to one and the same company and there would be no problems at all.
“And you would cut down on the drive to pirate the show. Many times English fluent foreigners would like to to also hear what the original actors sound like as they get dubbed versions overseas and sometimes cut/censored versions too.”
-Sure, i must admit….there is nothing more lovely than hearing Summer Glau’s original dialogues !
Guys, about that whole pirate stuff around the show…..i mean seriously, for us, there is simply no other way to do it, and believe me, i’ve tried! I even tried to log on via US proxys and for a short period of time it even worked (i guess it was when desert cantos came out) but since then….i have no possibility…the player on FOD just indicates an error (not even, that they’re sorry, i don’t live in the US)…..
And IF there would have been more and better merchandise, i surely wouldn’t have a problem to buy that, as well as i did with the Season 1 DVD and the upcoming Season 2!
And hell, like it was mentioned before, i would also even take in serious consideration to pay a monthly fee to watch that stuff online….. 40-50 bucks seem realistic and this show would be totally worth it for me!
Have you guys tried OpenDNS?
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“TV as we knew it is dead and gone; the studios and networks either need to get ahead of the game and learn how to effectively embrace new viewing methods OR stop crying like babies, give up and get out of the business completely because they have clung to the past much too long. There is much to be learned by the way viewers watch/obtain episodic programming in 2009, and WHY. The answers are there, they are just not the obvious ones the industry keeps looking for. Get on board to the future or watch it pass you by.”
Bravo, LJ!
A friendly advise: Your comment was very interesting to read but, next time, maybe you should consider to separate the text in paragraphs to make the read even more enjoyable.
Alexis:
Hah! You are right! I thought the same thing immediately after I posted and realized the one big blur!
These text boxes don’t always take paragraph breaks and this particular topic annoys me SO much I wasn’t checking that out when I was writing it. I’m reposting with more coherent breaks!:
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I’m not surprised at TSCC being the most pirated show at all, but it is telling that FOX can’t figure out how important that information is and learn from it, because there is much to learn.
Already noted this under the Save This Show comments, but it’s always been somewhat mind-boggling to me that FOX continues to air TSCC in such an early time period and expects to find a large viewing audience for it in that particular hour. TSCC is CLEARLY NOT a 7pm / early night show. This is a show for the thinking-minded viewer who is probably not sitting down to watch TV for the night at that time: the subject matter is mature, complex, intense, disturbing and violent, and it should never have been placed as a early lead-in show before Prison Break or Dollhouse, which I’m not knocking but neither of which are exactly brain-draining.
TSCC is one of only three regular season TV shows I never miss (Lost and BSG, now gone, are the others so I’ll soon be TV-free), and even though the only programs I have any interest in AT ALL are thought-provoking, complicated and intense, I am not quite ready for that so early in the evening when I’ve still got other things going on. I much prefer to watch them later in the evening on my own time when I am ready to wrap up my day with something that completely engages my mind.
As far as DVR viewing, downloads and pirating, the industry needs to get a clue, and soon. TV as we knew it is dead…DEAD…and gone; the studios and networks either need to get ahead of the game and learn how to effectively embrace new viewing methods OR stop crying like babies, give up and get out of the business completely because they have clung to the past much too long.
There is much to be learned by the way viewers watch/obtain episodic programming in 2009, and WHY. The answers are there, they are just not the obvious ones the industry keeps looking for. Get on board to the future or watch it pass you by.
LJ
Guilty as charged aswell.
Got the season1 bluray. Can’t be bothered watching it on Australian free-to-air TV, timeslot changes mainly.
Actually don’t mind the Dodge product placement or any other for that matter during the episode, as long as it is interesting. Those little ads at the bottom of the screen are ok too, like the Dollhouse or “what’s on FOX” ones.
Much better.
Again,
I just wanna say thanks to all of the team that is putting together and presenting this show to us. We love you guys as much as the show. No matter what happens in the weeks to come you will always be in our hearts.
The best of luck to us all,
The Zadokite
Why isn’t it possible to air the show simultaneously in the US and for example Germany. It is working already for 24. Season 7 started at the same time in German Pay-TV called “Premiere”. Optionally dubbed or with original soundtrack. For further details look at:
http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/staffel-gleichzeitig-19421.html
So what do I want more? Nothing.
And why shouldn’t this also be possible with German Free-TV like the commercial broadcaster Pro7 (who aired TSCC Season 1 from Jan - Mar 2009), if you think that Pay-TV is too exclusive.
I really don’t get it.
Nevertheless TSCC is just amazing. One of only a few series I really enjoy to watch several times (you all here should know why). So the first time I watched on German Pay-TV and I was enthusiastic from the beginning. For nine weeks I always looked forward and couldn’t wait for the next episode. For the second time I watched it on Free-TV Pro7 (even when they aired episodes 7-9 after midnight, whereas episodes 1-6 were running at 21:15). Finally a few weeks ago I bought TSCC Season One DVD-Set three times (at 24.95 Euros), one for me and two times as (birthday) presents, which were very much appreciated. So I think, I fulfilled my duties for now. What more can I do to show, how much I appreciate TSCC.
Though I have no idea, when season two will be aired or available on DVD in Germany, I am at the ready for it.
To cut the long story short, let us from abroad participate at the same time and in a legal way. I think, it would be worth a try in season 3. So there must be a season 3!
Please!!
PS: Wish you all a happy Easter!
“Jeez, I hope it’s not the end.”
Having doubts, Hadley?
Reading the JF article, he comes close, but won’t admit that IF he had produced eps like the ones we’re getting now, he wouldn’t have lost so many viewers.
The proportional comparison of viewership by respective days is great PR spin, but the proof of this fallacy is that T4 will have Terminator fans going back and back and back again to watch somethign because it IS what the expected and wanted.
TSCC is hard pressed - even as good as it has been written - to embrace and respect its Terminator heritage. Sometimes it was hard to find at all. I think this is WHY people are staying away. Because the hard truth of the matter is Terminator fans 25 years and $1 billion dollors of revenue worth - are deciding each and every week NOT to watch THIS show.
Josh may have learned his lesson about how to make this show. Certainly I think the consensus is these last several eps are truely great. Maybe he can stick with this formula and make TSCC the hit is SHOULD be.
But JF need to just own up to the fact that it was poor business management of the produce, poor PR by not having all things Terminator past, present and future connected with this TV show, and sheer knuckleheadedness on his part (don’t flame: destroying the family dynamic of season 1 which was the best thing about s1, and putting Cameron on the bench when she was the fan fav, etc.) is what helped to do the PRODUCT in.
And his saying that eps have the same viewership no matter what is a crock bc in THIS game - Terminator wise - once you throw out a bad, flawed, watered down bs T ep like some of these have been, fans get that T3 feeling in thier throats and it is very, very hard to win them back ONCE they decide to leave. True, Fox made blunders too, but much of THAT may have a lot to do with them NOT getting the show they pitch in their promo and on photos on THIS website - until NOW. Again, this leads back to JF AS the responsible party.
The GOOD thing is ya boy CAN write! He just needs to convince WB that he WILL write THIS kind of stuff over the past month or so and not front load us with time wasting no payoff dreary introverted WTF-isms. If he can do that, maybe they’ll pay Fox to keep TSCC so T4 won’t get bad pub. Seems he may need McG after all…
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Very well said Coach. Applause!!
I just have to share this story…Last night I stayed up really late and wrote EVERY SINGLE one of the advertisers. It took me a long time but well worth it.
Ad links http://www.savethescc.com/advertisers.html
And http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2609982/TSCC+advertisers+contact+information
Well I heard back from a number of them:
kraftfoods.com and nabiscoworld.com.
They were very happy to hear positive comments about there ads. They are going to share the comments with the rest of the staff.
Snapple said “…do not sponsor television programming, nor do we share all the views portrayed in the program. We are, however, glad to hear that our current advertising is running during a time slot you and others are watching on a regular basis.”
From Sears.com “…are glad that you approve of our choice of sponsorship of this program.”
Degree, JCPenney and steaknshake.com wrote back as well.
But the company that sent me the nicest e-mail…Mission G ROCKS!!!!
G and Gatorade Thirst Quencher have my full support!!! You can write them at:
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I just had to share there comments!!! And can we get this ad going!!!
Kea:
We’re glad you appreciate our advertising support for T:SCC. I’ve been looking forward to watching-it looks awesome- but sometimes I work on Friday nights.
The advertising team will appreciate your feedback. As you may know, we have many ways of measuring success, but none of them are as satisfying as receiving e-mails like this one.
We want you to know that G and Gatorade Thirst Quencher are the same product. G is part of our effort to help re-define what it means to be an athlete. (Sarah would qualify!)
We hope, Kea, you’ll spread the word to the rest of T:SCC fans.
Jeff
Consumer Relations
Now that is customer service!!!!
Here’s hoping we get a season 3.
Hi! We only meant “the end of the season,” but headlines have to be short to fit into those little boxes at the top of the page. We’re still very hopeful the show will get a second season, especially since there seems to be a strong renewed interest in it these last few weeks.
All best,
Charlie Jane w/ io9
We definitely only meant “the end of the season,” but we have to keep the headlines short so they can fit into those little boxes at the top of the screen.
All best,
Charlie Jane w/ io9
Edited to say: the io9.com is a good article. I just hope its not the end…only the beginning of TSCC. And is it just me or does io9.com seem to promote Jameron. Hey I’m all for that.
I just hope Cameron stays alive and good. That we get some Jameron (I need my fix) and the all important season 3.
Did I mention season 3 (4, 5 and 6)
Great behind the scene’s photo’s by the way. Makes you appreciate how a show is done and seeing all those little details.
Question? How many hours does it take to apply the ‘Cameron damage’ makeup?
@ Kea,
Why, it takes no time at all! Didn’t you know the deep, dark secret of this show?
Summer Glau is a Terminator!
Well Hadley, I sure hope it isn’t the end either. I would miss the show, and the fun things going on on this blog as well. You did a good job Hadley!!
I agree with the favorite episodes list, including Samson and Delilah and Allison from Palmdale. Those were season 2’s highlights for me. And self made man has a special place in the list for me because it was all about the terminators.
Lets hope for the best!
LOL Dan!!!
@hadley about pirated watch. Well, this show is fantastic but it is not available in many countries. What do you expect for such a fantastic show? To be ignored? Nope!
My votes for “Alison”, “Self made man” and #19, #20, #21 so far. I aboslutely dislike episodes focused on Sarah only. They went too far off the track.
哈哈，我又回来了！
在上一集中我们看到了几个螳臂挡车的人，精神可嘉。但是，似乎有些不合常理。如同战士们在面对装甲车的时候不会使用手枪去还击一样。至少我会用RPG。对付这些家伙也是一样，只能用RPG。但是，我们的主人公连AK－47都不用，直接使用小口径的手枪，去对付一个全合金的家伙。对于John的叔叔Derek 的死亡，我们倍感失望，因为他死的有些莫名其妙。观众还没反应过来的时候，他就躺下了。我知道，编剧开始定点清除了，似乎对于直系亲属也应该有些铺垫啊。
编剧试图把重点回到Sarah的身上，他有两种选择：受伤或出事。编剧选择了出事，以表现母亲和孩子间的情感。其实还可以让John受伤，或是Sarah受伤，但是编剧做了一次选择。我们不知道下面剧情如何发展，只有等待下一集了。
Cameron似乎引起了编剧的嫉妒，她没有过多的镜头，编剧似乎不想太过喧宾夺主。一些东西是无意造就的，自然发展的结果，Cameron就是。其实Sarah的演员是一个很有演技的演员，她很成熟，很稳健。但是，似乎是剧情或者说是编剧造就了Cameron，可谓是自然天成。
等待下一集。萝卜白菜各有所爱，当然最后可能只会剩下John一个人，对于观众热爱的角色不可避免的死亡，我们爱莫能助。和很多观众一样，我喜欢Cameron，喜欢她头发淋湿的样子，喜欢她那双可爱的大眼睛。但是，编剧决定一切。他是上帝，每个人都会有她的宿命，戏剧或悲剧。
“S&D,” “Alison From Palmdale,” “SSM” (the parts with Cameron), “Today Is The Day Part 2,” and “Adam Raised A Cain” are my stand outs this season.
They still aren’t absolutely perfect since things did get a bit muddled, and there are still a lot of dangling plot lines and unanswered questions… and that’s not even counting the stuff from Season 1!!
And I still contend that Dick Smith needs a very quick cameo (before he finally retires) as the original gun shop owner from “The Terminator” and has a funny run in with Cameron in Season 3!
How do you explain his appearance? He has a metal plate in his head… just like Cameron.
That should be “SMM.”
Order me up an edit button for Season 3, would you?
LOL!
@ 5-HT2A,
Exactly!
you mean Dick Miller dont you Dan?
as for shameless edit, you know that dude is like 80 yrs old?
Thanks, Dan Hitchman. 知我者，Dan也。：－）
Friday today.
This really is The day.
Today is the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope they renew it for another season.
Malocchio,
Dick Miller, yes! Crap. My brain is useless late at night.
80 years old or not… the dude is awesome! He’s a funny guy too.
“G@ddamn, Gremlins!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I3dPGhHwHI
They’ve even taken over the movies!!
Indiana Jones vs. Gremlins!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-gd1ZuwaI0
Shirley Manson & Summer Glau on Terminator Finale
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20754
Friedman interview
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20747http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20747
RCN says: Page dreads
Could not resist posting a link to the post about links:
http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2008/12/sarah-connor-chronicles-ill-be.html
Next time artists should do better
Weaver, Chico, & the Man!
I like the sound of that!
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Here’s a little “A Rush Of Blood To The Head” by Coldplay for tonight’s episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoyyr1SFPCY
“You said, ‘I’m gonna buy this place and burn it down,
I’m gonna put it six feet under ground.’
You said, ‘I’m gonna buy this place
And watch it fall.’
Stand here beside me, baby
In the crumbling walls…”
A frakkin’ cool Jameronite song.
Dan I can’t believe you didn’t mention”Goodbye to All That.” In my opinion that was one of the most Terminator centric episodes of the entire season and showed some of Thomas Dekker’s finest acting. I’m all for more Summer but still you have to give credit where its due.
And I’d also like to do another shoutout of a different type to Josh Friedman. Sarah Connor’s voiceovers: some of us hate them, most of us love them, but I would like to say thank you for the time you put into them: what would best sum up the moral of the episode, how best to translate that into some historical or factual example, and then looking it all up - doing the research, and finally presenting it in manner fitting to the Terminator franchise. Some of the show’s best art came from these voiceovers and dream sequences. It really helped give the show some depth which tends to be overlooked in favor of drama and action.
I wouldn’t mind one entire episode, well mostly one episode, that shows Cameron’s POV - told mostly from her heads up display viewpoint (kind of like at the very start of Samson and Delilah). Maybe have a few Summer voiceovers thrown in to try and compare how things are now to how they are in the future. That would be an isntant fan favorite. One example I can think of is Today is the Day part one where we see Cameron unsure of her role as John’s protector, how she thinks that eliminating Riley shouldn’t even have to be a decision. Explore that part of her, a very interesting idea imo. I’m thinking a third of the episode through Cameron’s eyes, a third of just Cameron, and then a third for everyone else
I love you Summer no matter what happnes in 55 minutes!
i hope this great terminator Series never ends
i really dont want this show to end, but if it does, i hope the directors and producers of the show make a great ending for the show.
I really love this show as I have said many times to the people here on this site I really want a season 3 of this show really bad this show is the best show Fox has it is the only great show on right now Fox’s other shows suck they are really crappy TSCC should get out of Fox and go to ABC or NBC also the show should be played on the Scifi Channel for those who have cable and have not seen the show. I just wanted to let the people here know that I have a petition created on my site and there are other sites that have it as well. I am so looking forward to a season 3 and would like to see if Arnold could be in a few episodes of Season 3. I wanted to know if I could promote my site on the blog section of this site that would be nice. http://terminatorfate.ning.com is my site and people here should check it out.
http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/090421/i9NitFtv6V.jpeg TSCC: season 3 This time he’s fighting for his life.