“They stay in hiding mostly. And only attack when provoked.”
Adam Raised a Cain
Friday - 8PM/7PMc
FOX
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Posted on March 30th, 2009
by hadley
Category Air
“They stay in hiding mostly. And only attack when provoked.”
Adam Raised a Cain
Friday - 8PM/7PMc
FOX
Let me guess… Catherine Weaver’s murrain in her office aquarium?
Hmm… Could be Weaver. Very curious.
Okay, “Billy Loves”. That is just highly inappropriate. Go onto an adult site and don’t spam up this place.
mmmm……..
No…. I think is sarah telling jonh… i think she is talking about derek and cameron..
EDIT: Let me guess… Catherine Weaver’s MORAY in her office aquarium?
Muraine is the French word for that animal. Sorry about that.
We are referring to the biblical story Cain and Abel. two brothers. One murdered the other, the FIRST murderer. I have a feeling JH is Abel and he met Cain briefly last episode.
cain and abel? Maybe skynet and John Henry. Just kidding everybody wants good robots. But just like Andy goode said the turk learn everything but the valuable things we can hope to the end what is Weaver’s plan, but i think agent Ellison will “disappoint” her.
hadley: please, use you super terminator powers and delete Billy Loves stupid posts…
you like it though
Can’t comment on Billy, Hadley’s wishes. But I wish I could!
Looks like we need an after hours moderator. How do you deal with someone like that? Does IP blocking work?
@Callie: Yes, must be Catherine Weaver speaking about her moray. But, to whom? Sarah? John?
That’s funny because, if the T1000 we saw on the Jimmy Carter was CW, the description fit her really well: she killed someone because she was provoked by a plasma rifle.
Billy is what’s known on forums as a troll. Don’t feed the troll anything and eventually he’ll look for fun elsewhere.
…attack only when provoked?
Rattlesnake?
As always, much looking forward to Friday.
It looks like we are back at the bible titles
Hey, I’ll volunteer for after hours moderator. What do you think hadley?
The axe would probably need re-sharpening by the time I got done though.
I’m only kidding. I’m too one-sided. I like the show.
@Gore, There’s only been two so far, no big deal.
I am going to have to guess Sarah. This program has a thing for strong female characters (which is cool, ’cause so do I). And these two are just about the two strongest and most bad muled of the bunch.
I think it is probably JH narrating what his “brother” has told him to Weaver and Ellison. I guess we’re going to learn more about this other Skynet from JH.
mmm…
“Adam Raised A Cain” and “Samson and Delilah” are song titles. Adam Raised A Cain was written by Bruce Springsteen as was Born To Run (the season finale’s title).
btw, Springsteen performed Samson and Delilah once as part of an eight song set of folk songs; the opening song in the set was John Henry.
and Christians believe that Psalms 22 foreshadows the rejection and death of the messiah (JC?).
@Spudster.
As to your post about your Psalms 22 speculation, here’s a song that really, truly is in keeping with what many have been thinking all season long (and even before)…
Elton John & Bernie Taupin’s “The King Must Die”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHa8pAXJBs
Lyrics: http://www.eltonography.com/songs/the_king_must_die.html
Future John is killed, Cameron runs to the past for her life as it is also in danger… to be with John again. FutureJohn had one too many enemies due to his risky strategies, and Cameron, being metal and high ranking (or John’s equal in his eyes) would be targeted to die as well.
Cameron has been keeping the ultimate secret from John to spare him… and maybe save him. She came back for him… because there is love hidden away inside her.
IMHO.
It’s a great song, by the way.
double post, sorry!
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@Spudster:
As to your post about your Psalms 22 speculation, here’s a song that really, truly is in keeping with what many have been thinking all season long (and even before)…
Elton John & Bernie Taupin’s “The King Must Die”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHa8pAXJBs
Lyrics: http://www.eltonography.com/songs/the_king_must_die.html
Future John is killed, Cameron runs to the past for her life as it is also in danger… to be with John again. FutureJohn had one too many enemies due to his risky strategies, and Cameron, being metal and high ranking (or John’s equal in his eyes) would be targeted to die as well.
Cameron has been keeping the ultimate secret from John to spare him… and maybe save him. She came back for him… because there is love hidden away inside her.
IMHO.
It’s a great song, by the way.
And “Born To Run?” I think it references… Cameron.
Just a wild thought.
@Dan
I more or less agree with your speculation about John and Cameron, but I also think that Cameron may also have been sent (by herself? in the pilot she says she was sent from the future; she doesn’t say John sent her; not sure whether she’s ever said that John sent her) to forge an alliance with CW?, an alliance that she or John failed to forge in the future (in the Jimmy Carter episode).
Not sure about the love part. There’s a bond with John, I’m not sure I’d call it love.
The intent of the Psalm quote may merely be to indicate the death and resurrection of a savior (in that case it would be John Henry).
It’s John Henry telling Ellison about something that interests him that he dug up in his research on the web.
Producers discussing TV execs.
@Seneca,
LOL! True, too true!
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@Spudster,
Oh, I think there’s love there!
And as for another on-going theory of mine on Cameron, please read the previous blog posting of Hadley’s, and tell me what you think.
The Elton John song still works there too. LOL!
@ Billy Loves
Hey Billy - I went to that site you linked to and there wasn’t a single Terminator in sight! What gives? :^D
Man I cant wait for this friday long live TSCC
CW for sure, IMHO. clipped and a factoid statement.
The awesome thing about Psalm 22 is that it describes in detail someone being crucified which was a punishment that wouldn’t be invented for hundreds of years!
I have no idea what this quote could be about, except Weaver’s pet… As far as I know T’s don’t stay in hiding and only attack when provoked.
Unless maybe when in ful infiltration mode. Hmmm…
I think it is Weaver about other T-1001s who gone out of Skynet control in future and try to live their own life.
Cain was the older brother who was a farmer; Abel, the younger, was a shepard. They borh made a sacrifice to God; Cain’s brought some of his crops, and Abel brought his finest of his sheep. God only accepted Abel’s.
The most important part of the story, I think, is the existential crisis Cain went through. In the narrative of the Book of Genesis, this is represented by God asking “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? Behold, if you do good, you will be accepted, but if you don’t do good sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.” (Genesis 4:6-7, loosely translated from Hebrew by me).
We all know how the story ends. What I find interesting is that Cain had a choice, and the way it was phrased in the Bible, God even spelled the choice out to Cain. Someone in this story will have to make the same decision Cain had to make in order to do what he believed was the right thing.
My thoughts: either John Henry or John Connor will be in the position. John has been compared to Jesus all along as one who is destined to be the savior of humanity. In the last episode, John Henry admittedly felt Jesuslike himself (ergo the quote from Matthew cf. Psalms, the last words Jesus said before he died). Assuming it is John Connor, then it’s Sarah who raised herself a Cain (but who is Abel?) And in John Henry’s case, let’s say it’s Cahterine Weaver who raised this Cain.
@Seneca: Producers discussing TV execs.
LOL! Excellent!
Thanks, you make my day!
Interesting episode.
I think the strongest components of this show are the two terminator/”machine” characters, and their interactions with others. There is something eminently watchable about Garret Dillahunt (as John Henry) and Summer Glau (as Cameron). Garret, in particular, delivers a nice blend of “unsettling politeness” as John Henry.
If this is the T:SCC apocalypse (or shadow of that storied end) it’s good to have the series return to its biblical roots. The dispute between Cain and Abel involved Yahweh’s preference for blood which was resolved only with the covenant of Abraham and Isaac. Obviously, Skynet and his minions feel the necessity of human sacrifice. John Henry remains dangerous but naive like the misguided monster from Bride of Frankentein. That will change or he will “be forsakened”.
Ashley, is Psalm 22 just foreshadowing or, as some have suggested, reverse engineering for an aspiring messiah?
I don’t believe it was reverse engineering but instead a prophetic message for God’s people some 700 years before the coming of the messiah.
no Messiah but the one we make… Damn wrong line!
Oh man! Here I go again, on my own! This discussion just brought the devil out of me. LOL!
Depeche Mode: “Personal Jesus”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p1N5St_77w
As they say… Reach out and touch faith.
Verse 18 is unmistakakle in its specificity-even prophecies deserve a run through Occam’s Razor-it takes a lot of faith to say-I am the one we’ve been waiting for for seven hundred years.
Part of the fascination of T:SCC has been John’s message (in biblical terms) “Take this cup away…You may not be crazy, Sarah, but I’m no messiah” until he’s face-to-face with one of the disciples, Derek, and his most trusted creation whose task may be to betray him. Biblical stuff that beats the hell out of Wife Swap, regardless of the Nielsen ratings. Most Americans in the audience just don’t want to think…
@ghottistyx
if john henry is supposed to represent cain, i think it’s ellison rather than CW who represents Adam. CW isn’t the motherly type and its ellison who teaches JH about ethics and morality.
(I really don’t think the title should be taken literally at least as it relates to the Biblical story - the title is a direct reference to a Springsteen song after all; I’m still trying to figure out the Samson and Delilah title). I recall that the Brothers of Nablus story came up in the episode having that title but I don’t think it was in reference to anything that happened in that particular episode. I could be wrong, my memory is far from perfect.
Just a random thought…
I think I know why Cameron has blue eyes.
She uses Visine…
It gets the red out.
Hey, maybe a cross promotional ad?
In To the Lighthouse we discover that John Henry has a “brother”/shares code with another AI birthed from another descendent of Cyberdyne -per Hadley
JH’s ‘brother’ is another AI, not John or Ellison.
I think they’re referring to Ellison as being the Adam figure…
Maybe…?
And I hope I hope I hope, it’s Sarah who betrays John. You wouldn’t see that coming.
Not in the traditional sense (like her shooting him… I’m sure she would have liked to a few times over the course of Season 2… as would I!), but John could see it that way, and it estranges him from her. A good thing, since this Sarah seems to smother him like a wet blanket.
Cameron runs. John follows after her.
Oh, well… all we can do is speculate now. LOL!
There is this very nasty rumour going around that TSCC has been canceled but fox is just waiting for the last 2 epps to air before making it offical. I hope its not true has anybody heard anything diffrent??
Very hard to say.
I would hope not because then Fox is lying about waiting until May to decide whether to renew it or just let WB shop around for another network.
If it’s the same rumor as has been flying around then the facts were completely off.
The demo is DVR’ing the show like gangbusters according to the numbers. Friday night is a bad night across the board.
Notice that Fox/DirecTV (same company… News Corp.) was pushing an ad for DVR’ing your favorite shows during TSCC?
Why encourage time shifting if you don’t value it?
if it is back next season i bet you the show’s plot will get a total change. i bet the executives will have more say over the shows direction. whether that will be good or bad i dont know.
Oops!
Here’s the better full album version of Depeche Mode’s “Personal Jesus.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5M6PeKWxt4
Again… reach out and touch faith. Sounds like the band was watching T2 when they wrote this song. “Come with me, if you want to live.”
The lyrics definitely play into the various main characters, and especially John and Cameron and the roles that the play in each others’ lives.
“Feeling unknown and you’re all alone, flesh and bone by the telephone. Pick up the receiver, I’ll make you a believer…”
Phil:
Happy thoughts only here. Don’t believe the ratings that would be negativity. Everything is perfect here. Josh is God’s gift to television and we must all agree to that here. I hope he never changes. Please don’t disagree with me because my feelings could be hurt and reading that stuff just makes me feel icky anyway. Joy and happiness to you all.
That sounds like not so bad news to me:
“For the week ending March 15, 2009, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Dollhouse led the pack in terms of percentage increase to Live+SD 18-49 rating. ”
So, people are DVR’ing the show like crazy.
That may explain why DirectTV shows ads during live broadcasting.
Source: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/30/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chornicles-and-dollhouse-again-lead-18-49-increase-with-7-day-dvr-viewing/15498
Captcha: 5.351/2 always…
5.35 millions and a half viewers always watching? Jonh Henry, are you the one who generates the captcha phrases???
@Etienne,
Skynet does…
Du du duuuuuuuuuuuuummmm!
@Dan: You may be right…
Skynet/Captcha says: Flushing forward
Hum… that`s more intriguing than fortune cookies…
@Etienne:
Everybody needs a good lunch and an enema.
LOL!
Can’t wait for Friday, can’t wait for Friday, can’t wait for Friday… REBOOT!!!
Dan:
Is JF pro-enema? I haven’t been told what I’m supposed to think about this topic yet.
Can you bring me up to speed.
Hey just a question…
where’s the counter in first page gone ?!?
it was cool…and there are 2 episodes left!
Waitin for fridayyyy…yess
I think that there is going to be some sort of murder as in Cain and Abel. Something tells me that there is not enough room for 2 skynets in this town ands one might very well bite the dust… I do appreciate how this show puts Christianity in a positive light. It is mocked in most other places on TV. Kudos to you Josh Friedman and crew for doing that.
With absolute sincerity, I agree with you Galen. It is a welcome change.
@Snake,
Etienne had to type in “flushing forward” into the “phrase machine.”
That’s where I’m coming from. LOL!
@Dan,
“Etienne had to type in “flushing forward” into the “phrase machine.”
You may have stumbled on the answer to the basement scene, it would sure explain the look on Derek’s face. Yuck, yuck
A final bed time story for all you good little boy and girl Chroniclers out there:
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It’s been a couple of months since the craziness and breathless excitement of the Season Finale.
The little band finds themselves together (only because Sarah needed a place to temporarily camp out ’til she finds her own digs close by… she finds she’s not as welcome as she once was) in a very cramped, one bedroom apartment in a dead end part of town. Sarah has been given the couch.
Cameron, because of John’s gruff chivalrousness (Cameron finds it quite strange since she doesn’t need it and doesn’t sleep. Sarah, for once, is in agreement), has been allowed the double bed, while John has taken an army cot off to the side. He says he’s trying to “toughen up.” Cam and Sarah aren’t buying it.
Cam is, again, trying out what it’s like to “get away from it all.”
She’s sitting in bed in her night attire of T-shirt and sweat pants with the covers tucked up and cozy, engrossed in reading H.P. Lovecraft’s The Dunwich Horror, a personal favorite of hers since her late night library adventures.
The wind is howling through the trees due to an incoming stormfront, causing the tree branches to scrape up against the bedroom window, as if giant claws were scrabbling and scratching just outside. Lightning spits and crackles and peels of thunder rumble in the distance, as if JD has already arrived.
There is a 9mm, loaded and ready for action, under her pillow, and a stash of assorted other assault weapons, just within reach, under the bed. She, like Stephen Colbert, calls her gun, in private: “Sweetness.” It was a “tight” present John gave her for her built-day.
John is getting ready for bed in the bathroom adjacent to the bedroom.
Sarah comes part way into the room to check in on Cam (old habits die hard), and stands in the doorway. She’s surprised at what she sees (when it comes to Cameron… every day brings a new experience), but says nothing out loud, that is, about it.
Sarah: Um…’night, Cameron.
Cameron [glancing up]: Goodnight, Sarah [and is about to go back to reading her book]
Sarah [in passing, as if stating, "my, isn't it a lovely day?"]: I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.
She closes the door behind her; the door eerily creaking and groaning on its rusty hinges in protest, and flipping off the light switch, plunges the room into almost total darkness.
Lightning suddenly splashes the room cobalt blue, immediately followed by a loud clap of thunder.
The lamp by the side of the bed immediately snaps on, and Cameron stairs at the audience, bug eyed.
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Goodnight everybody….
Sleep tight. Don’t let the bed bugs bite.
And don’t dream. [evil laughter]
Edit: “stares,” not “stairs.” Yes, I know my A B D’s.